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Radha Soami (RSSB) mix money and spirituality – part 2

16 Apr

Credit goes to Mr. Brian Hines… doing some really good work keep it you are the man although I m not fully agree with all of ur posts…

As shown in my previous post, there’s an intimate relationship between Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB), a religious/mystical organization headquartered in India, and Religare — a large global financial services group.

The current RSSB guru is Gurinder Singh Dhillon. His sons, though only 26 and 20 years old, are among the 400 richest Indians owing to millions of Religare shares having been transferred to them at a very low cost via insider trading deals.

And the guru himself has acquired about half a million dollars worth of Religare shares in a similar fashion. (For details on all this, read “Religare’s money connections with the Radha Soami guru.”)

When I first received an email from somebody who was knowledgeable about the RSSB – Religare relationship, my first reaction was there’s nothing wrong with making money.

I still feel that way.

However, the more I learned about the ties that bind RSSB and Religare, the more I was bothered by how the “vibe” of the spiritual organization I was an active member of for over thirty-five years has changed.

The guru who initiated me back in 1971 was Charan Singh. My recollection is that his family owned quite a bit of farm land in the Punjab, and this is how he and various relatives supported themselves.

Back then it appeared to us Western disciples that business dealings and spiritual pursuits were kept entirely separate in the Radha Soami Satsang Beas organization. If there were ties between members of the group becoming rich, and becoming godly, this wasn’t obvious. The emphasis was on “selfless service,” not self-aggrandizement.

Times have changed. I’ve been told that almost all members of the board of directors of Religare are Radha Soami Satsang Beas initiates, or “satsangis.”

Also, that the RSSB guru literally runs the company — he makes all the important decisions and spends a considerable amount of time driving the business. The children of high-ranking satsangis, along with family members and friends of the guru, work for Religare.

All Religare establishments reportedly are strictly vegetarian, in accord with one of the rules for RSSB initiates. No employee, whether a member of RSSB or not, is permitted to bring any sort of non-vegetarian food inside the gates of the buildings. So no pepperoni pizza delivery for a guy or gal working late on company business.

Charitable activities of RSSB reportedly have been cut back considerably, with the guru being quoted as saying, “We are a spiritual organization, not a charitable one.” This strikes some initiates as hypocritical, given how busily the guru and those close to him are acquiring wealth through RSSB connections.

Apparently now the only organized RSSB charitable activity for the poor is the Beas hospital that was built many years ago, when Charan Singh was the guru. The annual “eye camps” that provided free medical care for cataracts and other problems have been discontinued. (Another guru’s “dera” offers them, though.)

Sunil Godhwani, Religare’s Chairman and Managing Director, is a Radha Soami Satsang Beas follower and the guru’s closest aide. Malvinder and Shivinder Mohan Singh, the brothers (nephews of the guru) who founded Religare and transferred millions of shares in the company to the guru’s sons also are RSSB initiates.

I have some personal experience with insider transactions, since my father was a co-founder of a company — Systems and Computer Technology Corporation — back in the 1980′s or thereabouts. (My mother divorced my father when I was very young and I never had any contact with him until I was in my thirties, so I’m sort of vague on details.)

Feeling guilty over how he had ignored one of his sons, my father transferred several thousand shares in the company to me. As a founder, he’d gotten them dirt cheap. And over the years, as I followed the company’s fortunes, I saw how frequently shares were traded back and forth in insider deals.

In general, this is completely legal. Also, common.

However, there’s something strange about the sons of a guru, who is considered by disciples to be “God in human form” and master of their spiritual destiny, becoming some of the richest people in India after being gifted millions of shares in Religare without ever having worked for the company.

(Gurpreet, the oldest son, is a director of Religare’s British affiliate; I’ve been told that Gurkirat, the youngest son who is still in college, has no connection with the company.)

My wife worked as a psychotherapist in private practice for quite a few years. Through her I learned about the issue of “dual relationships.”

Dual relationships exist whenever a therapist interacts with a client in any capacity beyond the one role as therapist, for example, also being their client’s teacher, consultant, business partner, or sexual partner. If you perform a role other than therapist for your client, it may introduce desires and goals that are yours rather than the client’s and can risk the possibility that you will place your needs above theirs. Maintaining unselfish judgment is critical to your role as an effective, professional therapist.

If this is true of someone who merely functions as a guide to living a more satisfying worldly life, it sure seems that a guru who is viewed by his clients/initiates as being the master of their spiritual life (including an afterlife) needs to be even more careful about mixing up money with a therapeutic relationship.

Here’s another view of dual relationships:

Dual relationships between psychotherapists and their clients/patients are in the most general sense considered inappropriate or unethical.  In nearly all situations a dual relationship involves a risk that treatment may become biased or influenced by a non-treatment relationship between the professional and consumer.

During the more than three decades I was involved with Radha Soami Satsang Beas, I frequently observed first-hand the astounding devotion initiates, which naturally included me, had toward the guru.

I’ve seen destitute Indians happily placing a rupee (23 cents) or two into a “seva” (donation) container. I’ve seen initiates working tirelessly without pay for hours, days, and weeks in a spirit of service to the guru. I’ve seen disciples jump at the chance to do the most dirty or difficult volunteer work if this would further a project ordered by the guru.

It’s well known that when people are in different positions of power (such as boss/employee or teacher/student), different interpersonal dynamics come into play. The lower-ranking person really isn’t “free” in the usual sense of the word.

This is why psychotherapists are so concerned about the dangers of dual relationships. Power imbalances can easily result in people being taken advantage of, even when they appear — and may even feel themselves — to be acting voluntarily.

What I’ve learned about the dealings between Radha Soami Satsang Beas and Religare doesn’t feel right to me.

It definitely goes against the grain of what I used to enjoy about being a member of RSSB: the focus on meditation, mysticism, charitable giving, and service to a spiritual community where everybody did their share, and nobody (seemingly) tried to get more than their share.

That said, maybe I’m old-fashioned.

Maybe I don’t understand how modern-day gurus and their relatives can engage in insider trading deals with disciples while still remaining true to their philosophical principles. Maybe I’m missing the benefit to RSSB of having an inner circle derive large financial benefits that aren’t available to other initiates.

All I know is that philosophically and ethically, there are reasons for concern here. This morning I dug out a couple of RSSB books that I’ve got stored away in our garage.

I wanted to remind myself what was said in “Honest Living,” one of the core Radha Soami Satsang Beas publications, about materialism.

Since it is a natural tendency of all human beings to strive for happiness and to improve their situation in life, the success of our spiritual journey depends on what we put first, our spiritual or material goals.

…The danger lies in making material goals our priority. We are then equating riches with happiness and we immediately become vulnerable to compromising those very principles established to safeguard us.

Now, everybody has to support themselves in some way. The RSSB teachings certainly don’t discourage initiates from trying to make money.

However, it strikes me as discordant when the RSSB guru, his family, and high-ranking members of the RSSB organization are so deeply involved in the business of Religare. Should a religious group whose aim is release of the soul from the bonds of worldly attachment be so heavily focused on materialistic corporate goals?

It’s also important to keep in mind that relationships between people in a guru’s family can be quite different from the usual sorts of familial ties.

I can understand why at first glance my arguments above about “dual relationships” would be discounted — given that the founders of Religare who gifted shares of the company to the guru’s sons (and Gurinder Singh himself) are related to the guru. What’s wrong with family members giving gifts to each other, and going into business with each other?

Usually, nothing.

But being related to a guru who is considered to be God in human form is a much different deal than being related to an everyday Homo sapiens. This really often is a dual relationship in the classic sense, because the guru functions both as an infallible spiritual guide and a relative: father, grandfather, uncle, son, or whatever.

In Legacy of Love, a RSSB biography of Charan Singh, Gurinder Singh’s predecessor (and uncle), this special relationship of a guru with devoted family members is described:

Sardar Harbans Singh, Marharaj Ji’s [Charan Singh's] father, was the third son of Great Master. More than anything else, he was remembered for his absolute obedience to Great Master. When he was told by him to send his boys — Maharaj Ji and Shoti — to Dera for their education, he never questioned Great Master’s wish.

He handed them over so fully into Great Master’s trust that for many years the boys had no idea he was their father and thought of him as an uncle. His complete faith first in Great Master, and later, in his son, needs to be seen in the context of the practical difficulties those very close to a Master face in accepting his divine power and role.

For someone to accept a close relation or friend as the Master, he or she has to be able to relinquish all self-interest in the relationship. Since, as Maharaj Ji so often pointed out, most of these relationships are based on some level of self-interest, it is a rare person who can make such a sacrifice. It is a gift of grace, Maharaj Ji would say, to recognize a saint.


First Sardar Harbans Singh gave all his obedience to his father, who also was his spiritual guru. Then, when Charan Singh became the guru, Sardar Singh transferred his “complete faith” to his own son.

This is difficult to understand for those, like me, who aren’t steeped in Indian culture. I, along with my psychotherapist wife, can’t believe that any human being is capable of rising above any form of self-interest — and is worthy of unconditional obedience and trust.

Yet this is how a “perfect guru” is viewed by ardent disciples, including members of his own family. As the saying goes, if the guru says jump, the only question for them is how high?

This offers a different perspective on financial dealings among and between initiates of Radha Soami Satsang Beas. When the guru is involved in these dealings, they take on a deeply spiritual perspective since Gurinder Singh is considered to be (1) infallible and (2) utterly unself-interested.

Well, as I often say, maybe. But that’s highly unlikely.

So when profound religious faith in a guru is intertwined with business transactions that involve him, there’s a strong possibility of spirituality becoming strangely mixed up with material concerns and desires.


Radha Soami (RSSB) mix money and spirituality – part 1

16 Apr

Credit goes to Mr. Brian Hines… doing some really good work keep it you are the man although I m not fully agree with all of ur posts…

Religious institutions often have an intimate relationship with money. Thehugely rich Catholic Church comes to mind, naturally. There’s nothing inherently wrong with this.

People simply should be aware when spirituality gets tangled up with financial dealings, and make up their own minds about what, if anything, it means to them.

In that spirit, someone forwarded me an email message regarding Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB) that reportedly has been circulating among members of this India-based organization.

RSSB, as a branch of the Sant Mat (“Path of Saints”) religious philosophy, is led by a guru who is considered by the faithful to be God in human form. Or at least, as divinely realized as any human being can be.

The current RSSB guru is Gurinder Singh Dhillon. The email says that he has two sons, Gurpreet Singh Dhillon (age 26) and Gurkirat Singh Dhillon (age 20). I wasn’t able to confirm this by any online information, but I checked with the sender of the email and it seems like the information is correct.

(Note: in this blog post I’m sticking to Internet-accessible facts as much as possible. In another post on this subject, I’ll be more subjective and share how I feel about those facts, perhaps along with some thoughts from others about the financial dealings related below.)

Gurpreet and Gurkirat are substantial shareholders in a company calledReligare. Religare and Fortis, another large Indian company, are part of a family conglomerate headed by Malvinder Singh and Shivinder Singh.

[Update: a commenter on this post wrote, "Malvinder Singh and Shivinder Singh of Ranbaxy are the grandsons of Charan Singh, which makes the current Guru their uncle." This casts a somewhat different light on the facts below, but doesn't affect a central point: spiritual and financial affairs have become intimately intertwined in RSSB.]

As this story says:

Malvinder Singh, who will earn some Rs.100 billion ($2.4 billion) from selling his family’s stake in the pharmaceutical firm to Japan’s Daiichi Sankyo, is now planning to make huge investments in Religare and Fortis, the family’s financial service and healthcare companies. “Healthcare and financial services are two areas where we have existing businesses, where we will make investments,” Ranbaxy CEO and managing director Malvinder Singh said Sunday.

For some perspective, the average per capita income in India is about $1,000 (U.S.), while in the United States it is about $39,000. So millions and billions that seem like a lot of money here are considerably farther out of the ordinary for most Indians.

Malvinder Singh, an initiate of RSSB, is deeply involved in the Radha Soami Satsang Beas organization, as is the rest of his family.

This helps explain why the RSSB guru’s sons, Gurpreet and Gurkirat, each ended up with about 10% of the shares in Religare according to a 2007 prospectus. On page 25 it says that Malvinder Singh and Shivinder Singh were allotted 49,575,000 equity shares in Religare at 10 rupees (about 23 cents) a share.

Malvinder then transferred 6,250,000 shares to Gurpreet Singh, and Shivinder transferred 6,250,000 shares to Gurkirat Singh under guardianship of Ms. Shabnam Dhillon — almost certainly because Gurkirat is only twenty years old.

The cost also was 10 rupees a share. So the guru’s sons each got 6,250,000 shares of Religare for $1,437,500 or thereabouts through an insider deal. The share price on April 6, 2010 was 395.80. Thus, converting into dollars, 6,250,000 shares of Religare currently are worth $55,716,271 (today’s exchange rate shows 1 rupee = .022523 US$).

This explains how Gurpreet and Gurkirat appear on a 2009 “Billionaire Club” list of wealthy Indians. They’re ranked near the bottom at 364 and 365.

(A billion rupees is only $22,523,000, so it’s a lot easier to be a billionaire in India. Interestingly, though, the rupee is worth about 1/44 of a dollar, and the per capita income in India is about 1/39 of the United States per capita income. So seemingly Gurpreet and Gurkirat’s net worth makes them the Indian equivalent of an American billionaire.)

The guru’s sons seemingly acquired even more Religare shares recently, according to this insider trading report. It appears that each son got 6,183,000 additional shares (for a total of about 12,400,000 shares).

And the RSSB guru himself — Gurinder Singh Dhillon — got 26,333, leaving him with a total of 65,833 (or about $587,000 worth).

Religare insider trading
So the question is… so what?

Well, as I said above, that’s a subject for a follow-up post. What I’ve shared here simply are publicly available facts, accessible to anyone with a web browser via some Google’ing.

As this Indian blogger notes, “Gods and Godmen have always had their role to play in the world of business.”

For instance, the patriarch of the Radha Soami sect headquartered at Beas (he is also called the Beas Sant or the saint of Beas) is reported to have played his role in the succession drama at Ranbaxy after the death of then CEO and promoter Parvinder Singh in 1999.

The use of gurus isn’t an oddity in the global business environment. After all they fall in the same category as mentors, executive coaches, and consultants.

Hmmmm. I can’t agree with that last statement.

But maybe I have an old-fashioned view of what the role of a spiritual guru is supposed to be. I’ll have more to say on this subject in my next post.


Kuta Radha Sowami

11 Feb

Fuck you mother fucker.. you piece of shit fuker i will not forgive u fuckking drama chooot salay


Gurinder Singh Dhillon

03 Feb

Something interesting I find on

G. Singh Dhillon were a real genuine “heretic”???,  he would drop his authoritarian trip and all the RSSB dogma, and would do everything necessary in order to free his disciples from their illusion, their belief, and their cult dependency, that he is or will be, their spiritual savior.

I have heard this kind of propoganda about Mr. G. Singh Dhillon as well. In my opinion, it is all just a stupid political ploy by G. Singh Dhillon supporters, trying to make G. Singh Dhillon seem more palatable to those satsangis who are a bit more independently minded. I simply don’t buy it. “The Proof is in the Pudding”. If he were a real heretic, there would be no doubt about it. The fact is that he likes his VIP job as a spiritual leader, and the power and glory it provides, and he is not about to blow his scene by really helping to guide his blind followers to true Liberation. If all the RSSB satsangis got liberated, he would be out of a job and he would not be needed any longer. Therefore, G. Singh Dhillon just wants to continue falsly pretending that he is a Sat-Guru, and continue having all the satsangis following and believing in him.

I have absolutely no respect for people like G. Singh Dhillon who really DO use dogma, belief, and the blind faith of their followers, to maintain their comfortable position and power as a spiritual cult leader and a little ‘maharaja’ in the kingdom/colony of the RSSB Dera.
Church of the Churchless wrote: “Gurinder Singh said something along the lines of, “If you come to me and say that you have 100% faith, I won’t believe you. But if you say that you have doubts, now we can have a conversation.””

This clearly proves my point. G. Singh is not worried about the 100 per cent ‘True Believers’… He is actually only concerned with convincing those who may possibly be drifing away, to remain within his fold. His so-called “conversation” is nothing but more belief re-enforcing dogma. Under the present circumstances, I would not believe anything that the man says. Why ? Because I have not heard him say anything in the past 15 years that has anything to do with any truth, reality, or real spiritual knowledge. He is only just another parrot of the Radha Soami belief system and dogma.

I am sure this comment will not be received well by the die-hard RSSB satsangis who visit this site. But then that is exactly why people become foolishly trapped in such cults and religions. Sometimes it hurts to admit the truth. But in the long run, it is always better to seek and embrace the truth, than to remain in closed-minded denial.


Some Facts

03 Feb
  • In India, the Radhasoami Beas movement holds vast properties which often are alleged to encroach upon public land.
  • The Gurus have been mostly from one extended family and from upper class Jats.
  • The mantra is kept secret by the initiates.
  • There have been suicides reported or Radhasoami followers because of the insistence of their spouse on non-vegetarian food. (Reference needed)
  • The Gurus openly accept veneration and the meditation involves focusing on their face. The photographs and posters of the Gurus, taken in studio conditions, are distributed far and wide.
  • The Gurus give subjective interpretations of passages in the Bible etc. to endorse their world-view when talking to Westerners.

Like I said before its all about money and power game… making peoples fools and push them to do the xxx things ;)


The Truth – Radha Swami

03 Feb

Radha Swami

Out of all the cults preaching against Sikhi, Radha Swami is perhaps the biggest and strongest cult. It has very large following and is spread in many states in India. The Indian government has provided them with large sum of money to establish theircenters all across India and foreign countries. Radha Swami cult was started in Agra by Lala Shiv Dyal. He was usually referred to as “Swami Ji”. His wife’s name was Radha. Hence, the cult was named Radha Swami. Shiv Dyal had two main contemporaries: Rai Salgram and Jaimal Singh. Rai Salgram became the head of the cult in Agra while Jaimal established his own dera in 1891 at Beas in Punjab. Jaimal also had two main contemporaries: Sawan Singh and Bagga Singh. Both had a ruckus and Bagga Singh established his own dera at Taran Taaran. Currently there are dozens of sects of this cult. But the two main branches of this cult are at Agra and Beas. Jaimal, head of dera at Beas, was succeeded by Sawan Singh. After Sawan Singh’s death, Jagat Singh became the head and then Charan Singh.

When Jaimal first came to Beas, many local Sikhs helped him start a Gurdwara. They were fooled by his outer appearance of a Sikh. Land was donated by the Sikhs to the Gurdwara and registered under Guru Granth Sahib’s name. As the time went by, Jaimal firmly established his dera. Eventually, he removed Guru Granth Sahib and declared himself as the Guru and showed his true face to the people. He treacherously changed the registry of the land under his name and became the sole owner of the dera. He started preaching importance of having a human guru and discrediting Guru Granth Sahib. All of the branches of Radha Swami put a great emphasis on their own human gurus and regularly preach against Sikhi.

Contradictions and Anti-Sikhi Messages

Many of the books and alleged gurus of this cult constantly contradict each other. Although their objective is to mislead the Sikhs and convince them to abandon Guru Granth Sahib, their preaching often goes against the very principles they laid their foundations on. Some of their main books are Saar Bachan, Mera Satguru, Gurmat Sidhant and Prem Pattar. According to Saar Bachan:

“Guru Granth cannot be the true Guru. Neither does it talk nor does it give any message.”

Sawan Singh in book Gurmat Sidhant writes: “Granth cannot show us the true path” (Page 66)

On the other hand, Rai Saalgram says, “Form of God is Shabad. Everything in the world is another form of Shabad. Without contemplating on Shabad no one can reach heaven. Those who wish to achieve salvation must come in the sanctuary of the guru.”

NOTE: In the above quote, Saalgram refers his mantra as word and himself as guru.

According to “Mera Satguru” published by Beas headquarter: “Sikhs brothers purposely oppose Radha Swami because they are ignorant.” (Page 56)

The book further states: “Sikh brothers shouldn’t oppose Radha Swami. Maharaj (their Guru) was himself born in a Sikh family and majority of the followers of this religion are Sikhs. Radha Swami does not endorse anti-Sikhi teachings. Only backward old-age thinkers oppose Radha Swami.” (Page 107)

Later on the same book states: “All religions were started for personal reasons of self gain. The fact is that all religions have greatly been the cause of human sufferings and became the root of human problems in the world.” (Page 171)

On one hand they say they have nothing against Sikhi and on the other hand they are openly criticizing and insulting Sikhi in their books. The book Mera Satguru further states:

Sikhs refuse to believe in human guru and believe having faith in Granth Sahib is enough. Such Sikhs mistakenly believe in some words allegedly spoken by Guru Gobind Singh. Whatever the reasons may be, they don’t feel the need to have a human guru even though their books openly preach the importance of human guru. (Page 56-57)

Only alive human can be the true guru. No one from previous times can be our guru. (Page 59-60)

In the light of the above quote, when asked who a human guru was of Shiv Dyal, their reply is:

His guru was word. He did not take religious counsel from anyone.” (Radha Swami Darpan, Page 55)

Then one must ask: If Shiv Dyal’s guru could be a “word” then why is there such an important need of a human guru now? Had this been the fact, Shiv Dyal himself would’ve adopted a human guru.

They discredit Guru Sahib giving Amrit to Sikhs by writing:

Under the supervision of ten Gurus, Sikhs became a powerful force in India. At last, they were successful in over throwing the Mughal government and establish their own sovereignty under the rule of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. For being aggressive they came to be known as “Singhs”. (Mera Satguru, 109)


So what do they preach besides advocating human guru? Their entire belief system is based on eating ‘Jooth’ or defiled food. Followers of this cult are taught to drink spit of ‘paan’ (spicy product made for chewing). According to Saar Bachan:

ਪੀਕ ਦਾਨ ਲੇ ਪੀਕ ਕਰਾਵੈ । ਫਿਰ ਸਵਾ ਪੀਕ ਆਪ ਪੀ ਜਾਵੈ ।….
ਰੁਲੀ (ਚੂਲੀ) ਦਈ ਸਵਾਮੀ ਕੁਲ ਮੇਰਾ ਉਧਾਰਾ । ਜਨਮ ਸਫਲ ਔਰ ਤਨ ਮਨ ਸੁਧਾਰਾ । (Page 776)

In literal sense, the above lines translate to: “A Radha Swami is he who drinks spit or saliva of the guru…..drinking the spit of the guru blesses the life of the devotee and purifies mind and the body.”

Blessed and pure is the food which has been defiled by the guru. (Prem Pattar, 103)

Although Radha Swami prohibits its followers from consuming tobacco and alcohol, its founder, Shiv Dyal, had a keen interest in smoking and drinking. According to Saar Bachan:

Maid brought a hukka (smoking pipe to inhale tobacco) and served it to Radha Swami with her own hands.

After eating food, Swami Ji smoked one cigarette and distributed the rest among the followers.

One time, Swami Shiv Dyal asked Saalgram to bring him hukka. Saalgram quickly ran to the shop, brought hukka and presented it to Swami Ji.” (Jeevan Chrittar Saalgram)

Further, they do not believe in raising arms which is why Radha Swami followers strongly oppose Sikhs for keeping Kirpan. They forget the fact that their ‘guru’ Jaimal served in the British army and took active role in killing people. Their twisted ideology is based on hypocrisy. Radha Swami has spread in many countries under the current leadership of Gurinder Sinh. Followers are brainwashed against Sikhi. They are given five words to recite everyday: Oankaar, Rarankar, Jot Niranjan, Soha(ng) and Satnam. Misinterpreting Gurbani is crucial part of their congregation. For example, wherever word “Nanak” appears in Gurbani, it is replaced with the name of the current guru. Gurbani is misused to justify the need of human guru. Their anti-Sikhi practices are endless but one thing is definite that their existence is a direct challenge to the survival of Sikhi.


Chapter 2: RSSB Business Practices

03 Feb

A look into the Beas Dera Culture
By Waking Now

I wish to recount an experience for you.

A long time resident of the Dera died last Summer.

She was an Army Officer’s Widow and had no children. She lived in a house across the Grounds from the Western Guest House and was friendly to some Westerners.

A few years ago, out of the blue, she told me:

“You know, I could be a very rich woman”.

“What do you mean”, I asked.

She said “Many years ago, Maharaj Ji (Charan Singh) asked me to Will my property to the Dera”. (She had a house which she and her late husband built in the Defense Colony, a good locality of New Delhi.)

She said, I protested and said, “Maharaj Ji, I am still very young”. He disregarded my protest and continued, “and your Will should be witnessed by (naming a Dera inner circle person of the time)”.

(She did as she was asked to do, and remained a privileged inner circle woman during most of Maharaj Ji’s reign. She told a friend of an occasion when Maharaj Ji told her, “You are spending too much money on yourself, remember it belongs to Dera”.)

She continued:

“When my relatives find out, they will be very unhappy”.

“Why don’t you change your Will”, I said.

“How can I do that, I gave my property to Maharaj Ji”, she said.

Her Will is likely probated by now.

The woman was very dissatisfied in her last years. Believing the teaching that ‘All Gurus are One’ she had expected that the Successor would respect the privileged position given her by her own Guru [my insert-recurring theme ‘what have you done for me lately’]

“Where can I go now in old age”, she said to a friend.

Can her relatives make a claim that she wrote the Will under extraordinary pressure from the Godman at whose pleasure everyone lives in sight at Dera?

Some of you may guess who I am. Please use my Yahoo ID in your responses.

Thank you.

(responding to question about previous post)
After learning of the Lady being pressured to Will her property to the Dera, I spoke to a friend of hers. She told me that she had also heard of this from the Lady.

She said there were two opinions about what Maharaj Ji (Charan Singh) had done.

One, that He had sanctified her husband’s wealth by asking for it and had saved her from going astray in life considering that she was a vivacious and wealthy widow who could have many suitors.

And the other, that he had wanted to clip her wings and pin her down to the Dera so she could add her charm to an inner circle who met him for light entertaining chats.


Chapter 1 of RSSB expose: business dealings

03 Feb

I came in contact with RSS Beas as a teenager 50 years ago, slid into the cult in the early fifties, became a functionary, and officially left in the early nineties.

Since leaving I am learning to live by my own light. I have delved into the roots of the spiritual traditions of my Indian culture by readings and pilgrimages and have understood the working of the RSS Beas feudal religious cult within which I was caught for a very long time. This reminds me of the Sawan Singh quote: ‘Santmat is not taught, it is caught’, I would say, ‘Santmat is not taught, the Satsangi is caught’.

I have decided to post here in the hope that I might shine more helpful light.

Real RSSB-A Look

I met him at his Sawan Sadan flat in Bandra, Bommbay.
“Meet me before you return”, He had phoned.

“I will meet you but there are some conditions”, I said.

First condition is that I will meet you at the nearby park.
The second condition is that you will shave and take a bath and wear clean clothes.

“I am sorry I cannot meet your first condition”, he said. “I have remained in my room for so long that I no longer have strength in my legs to walk up to the park, but I will meet your second condition. I will shave and get ready”.

“All right”, I said.

He had met me some days earlier at the place where I was staying and I was shocked to see an unkempt haggard person, enter the room instead of the handsome personable man I had known.

“What’s the matter”, I asked.

“It is my fate”, he said, “My fate was made before I was born so what can I do”.

But I don’t believe in Karma and fate any more.

What, you don’t believe in Karma, you, a great Satsangi? (Mr. Babani’s quote)

No, I don’t believe in anything anymore. I just pay attention to my life. (Waking Now)

We had some tea and refreshments and did some small talk during which he would interject, “It’s my fate”.

Later, I spoke to his relatives and they said that he is getting close to 70, maybe, he is getting Alzheimer’s.

On further inquiry, I found that sometime back he had been intensely pressured to go to the Dera at Beas (“We will carry you if you don’t go”, the Official had said) to meet Baba Ji [my insert-Gurinder] to settle an old lingering dispute over his flat. He had gone to the Dera with his nephew, whose parents had lived with his Uncle, a single person, [my insert-Mr. Babani is the uncle] for the last over 35 years.

At the appointed hour, they entered the gates of the Residence where Audiences are given.

Inside, off the main path, is a Gazebo set in the garden, where people with appointments wait until they are called.

When the Uncle and nephew reached the Gazebo, they found two Dera lawyers also waiting there.

One of them told the Uncle, “You have to sign some papers before you can have Audience with Baba Ji”.

What papers?

“You have to cancel the papers saying that after your death your flat goes to your brother and after his death, to his son, your nephew, and instead you have to Will your flat to the Dera”.

The Uncle was in shock. He had flown two thousand miles for this meeting where he was expecting Grace and a just resolution of the dispute with the Dera.

He hesitated, and then said, “All right, I will sign whatever you want”.

So they brought the papers before him. He cancelled earlier entries and willed the flat to the Dera.

He was then asked to proceed for the Audience.

Both he and his nephew stepped into the room. Baba Ji was waiting together with the Bombay Secretary.

Baba Ji asked the nephew to wait outside.

Inside, Baba Ji patted the Uncle on the back and said, “Satsangis should not file a case against the Gurughar (the house of the Guru)”.

The nephew was called in. He had witnessed what had gone on outside at the Gazebo, so when he met Baba Ji he said “What will happen to my parents after my Uncle is gone”

Baba Ji replied, “We won’t take the flat while your parents are alive”.

Than you, Baba Ji..

I asked the nephew, an established businessman and a Bombay sewadar, after he recounted this [corruption in transcript-remainder of sentence lost].


“What could I do”, he said, “it is my Uncle’s Will, so his own business”.

I then asked whether Baba Ji had given in writing that he would let his parents stay in the flat after his Uncle’s death.

No, he said.

I then said that if it was Baba Ji’s intention to let your parents stay after your Uncle died, why would He force your Uncle to change the Will.

To that he had no answer.

He told me that sometime after returning from the visit to the Dera (‘Heaven on Earth’ it is called) the Uncle had refused to leave his room and started behaving abnormally.

I said it seemed to me that changing his Will under pressure at the Dera had caused deep depression.

The origin of the dispute with the Dera goes back some forty years to Charan Singh’s reign. When land was purchased in Bandra Bombay for a Satsang hall, Maharaj Ji (Charan Singh) had inquired from the Bombay Secretary of the time, a very successful Builder, whether Dera could get the adjoining empty plot.

“Yes Maharaji Ji, it belongs to me and you can have it”.

Shortly afterwards, there was discussion about developing the property with Maharaj Ji.

A mixed-use development was proposed. Maharaj Ji wanted the ground floor to be planned for offices and halls, and flats to be in the two upper floors, “But will the satsangis buy flats in the building”, he had asked…

Yes, Maharaj Ji, I have two brothers who are thinking of moving from their location and they will buy flats.

“All right then”, said Maharaj Ji

So the project was begun. The availability of the flats for purchase was announced at Satsang. Eight flats were available, four on the first floor and four on the second. Buyers came and as is the Bombay custom, installment payments began. The four flats on the second floor were made into two sets.

One set was purchased by the brother of the Secretary with a large family, and the other by another Satsangi family. On the first floor, two flats were kept for the use of Dera dignitaries (Gurinder has stayed in one of them while having a job in Bombay), one was bought by the Secretary’s brother, who was single by staying with his mother and brother’s family, and the last by another satsangi family.

After the flats were completed and the papers signed and the monies paid, the families started living there.

Some years later, the older brother with the large family had a stroke and was paralyzed.

Since the Sawan Sadan building had no lift (elevator), it became very difficult for his family members to carry him down two flights of steps. So the family decided to sell their flat and move to another in a building with a lift. They found a buyer and as is normal for people living in flats in Bombay, sought permission of their Housing Cooperative Society (because flats in buildings are bought cooperatively and the building maintained by its registered Society) which in the case was the Dera (RSSB).

To their surprise, Dera said, No, you can’t sell the flat to a non satsangi.

So they thought, as a family member told me last year, Dera is a religious society so they do not want meat eaters and alcohol drinkers.

So then they arranged to sell or trade the flat with a Satsangi who was living in a building with a lift and again asked the Dera, their housing society, for approval.

No, the Dera said, you can’t do that; we must first approve the Satsangi buyer.

They were dismayed and sought an explanation.

“You can’t sell your flat”.

‘The flat belongs to us, you are not Owners of the flat, you are only Occupants. The price you paid for the flat was not the purchase price but was to be treated as a deposit.”

The Satsangi owners were in disbelief. The found themselves in a strange predicament unheard of among flat owners in Bombay. They spoke to the Bombay Secretary, the Builder. Two of his blood brothers (not just satsangi brothers), had bought flats.

From family sources, I learnt that the Secretary discussed the situation with Maharaj Ji (Charan Singh). He told Maharaj Ji, “When the Satsangi had bought the flats, it was not so that they were to be Occupants and the purchase price was to be a Deposit.”

Maharaj Ji was unmoved.

(It did not matter that the Satsangi owners felt misled or misinformed and their equity (life savings) in a flat in Bombay was at stake. Or even that the devoted Satsangis, dependent for protection of their worldly as well as spiritual well-being on their Guru, could have made an honest mistake.)

‘No.”, Maharaj Ji said, “The Dera model must be followed. The Dera owns the property.”

The Secretary wilted, he could not stand up to Maharaj Ji. (He could not go against the RS teaching, the obedience to the Guru is paramount.)

A family member recalled to me last year. The Secretary came back from the meeting with Maharaj Ji and told his brother Satsangi owners, “Donate your flat to the Dera, you will get 10 times in return”.

The flat owners did not agree. It was a question of their life savings. One of the ladies of the family recalled the event and commented, “Donation is by choice, it is not forced”. Another lady said, “We were a large family, we saved with great difficulty to buy the flat.” One said, “It was not the Secretary who was being skinned”.

Instead, the Satsangi owners banded together and hired a lawyer.

The extended family of the Secretary was split. “Why had the brothers living in the flats disobeyed Maharaj Ji”. The brothers no longer had good relationships. This attitude even extended to their children, the cousins-one set looking down upon the other. Even in 2001 when I met some of them, there was alienation.

The Dera threatened one of the Owners who also had a house at the Dera, “Withdraw your suit or we will take away your Dera house”.

The suit was not withdrawn. The Dera house was forcibly taken away.

The Dera then started other intimidation tactics. A board was erected in front of the property saying that it belonged to the Dera and no one could engage in buying or selling the flats.

A Bombay RSSB committee member was chosen to front litigation. As a family member recalled, He told Baba Ji, “I am a Bombay flat owner…I know they have rights, how can I be a party to the case”.

“Do it,” Baba Ji said, “I am behind you”.

He submitted that and complied.

The paralyzed brother had died. Fortunately, his children had prospered in their business and constructed a house elsewhere.

The Dera then started tackling each owner separately. They persuaded the wealthy family to give up their double flat now worth nearly seventy times the original price, and promised them a flat at the Dera. The family did not want any more hassles and were wealthy enough to afford to donate it. The other owners pleaded with them, “You will break our band, and weaken our litigation, don’t settle”. They decided otherwise.

The other brother was forced to will his flat to the Dera.

The remaining owners until last month were still in litigation. Dera is trying other settlement tactics with them.

Last year, I asked a Bombay RSSB Committee member what he thought of the Sawan Sadan Satsangi flats case.

“Dera is wrong there”.

‘Then what did you do about it”.

“I expressed this opinion at a Board meeting.”

“That’s all”.

Silence ensued.
The old Bombay Secretary [Mr. Babani-my insert], a giant of man in business and organization skills and a famous Satsang orator, an RSSB pillar, known to many Westerners who attended Maharaj Ji’s programs in Bombay and saw him on Foreign tours, died last year, a mentally weakened man.

His son said he had Alzheimers but I found that while his recall was not good, some of his remarks were very intelligent. He was kept away from the ordinary Satsangis because he spoke things about RSSB, the management did not want ordinary Satsangis to hear. He had become critical of the RSSB.

He told me, “Now, Dera is making a fool of me. I will show them”.

I said, “I have left the Institution, you can do the same”.

“No”, he said, “it was easy for you, it is very difficult for me”.

Some time before he died, a Dera Lawyer come and got an affidavit from him to say that he never announced in Satsang (40 years ago) that the Sawan Sadan flats were for sale. The lawyer then took the piece of paper to the brother living in one of the flats and said, “Look, you have no case”. [my insert-I was informed this was not the only false affidavit that Gurinder extracted from Mr. Babini later on his deathbed].

Ironically, his school teacher, Parmanand, who had introduced him to RS when the Bombay Secretary was a young man, during his last years, verbally abused RS. At the time I heard of a Satsangi saying that Parmanand had lost his mind.

I went up the cracked stairs of the Sawan Sadan building which seemed in disrepair. The steps were very high, because the height of the ground floor had been raised to accommodate the offices and halls, but the treads remained the same width and the number of steps had remained the same.

I entered his room. He was sitting by the edge of the bed, shaved and showered and wearing clean clothes. At his bedside table were photographs of Maharaj Ji, one, an early Bombay photograph, in which he was also present.

“How are you”, I asked.

“How can I be”, he said, “my fate was formed before I was born and I am old now”.

“Forget about all this fate business and enjoy everyday of your life”.

I sat and he called for tea and we talked.

I said, “Forget about all this satsang and meditation business, just do what pleases you”.

“Can you meet me again in the evening?”

“Yes, if you come to the house before we leave for the airport”.

As it happened, he could not come and we bid goodbye on the phone


Radha Swami Satsang Beas Expose

03 Feb

I feel the need to explain why I think it’s worthwhile to put this material up for public viewing.

Basically, I believe that it’s desirable to freely share ideas and information so long as the privacy of individuals isn’t infringed upon, and what’s being shared isn’t libelous.
Neither seems to be the case here.

This material apparently was on the Internet for a while, then removed. Once public, always public… that’s the rule in this age of Google caches and file copying.
Naturally I can’t vouch for the truthfulness of what “Waking Now” relates. However, it has enough of a ring of truth to be believable. If anyone wants to challenge the accuracy of Waking Now’s allegations, they’re free to comment away.

Lastly (before getting to Chapter 1), I feel that it’s healthy to remind ourselves that perfection isn’t a quality found in either organizations or individuals — assuming it’s even possible to operationally define what this word means.
Some RSSB devotees are going to feel that it’s wrong to post any sort of criticism of this group. They consider that because the organization is led by a “perfect guru,” then everything RSSB does must be above reproach.
This is a fundamentalist religious attitude, no different from that of Muslims who say “no cartoons can be published of Prophet Muhammad!” or of the medieval Catholic church, which punished heretics who dared question the holy faith.

Radha Soami Satsang Beas claims to be a spiritual science. Science progresses by testing hypotheses, examining all of the data related to a problem, disseminating research results and discussing them openly.
So here’s some information about RSSB. Consider it; ignore it. Your choice.

Thanks to Mr. pps309


Truth About Radha Soami Satsang – Babaji

04 Jan

Okay guys I am starting this website to expose  ”Babaji” and the concept about the whole SatSang RasdhaSoami thing… please keep checking the website as I will update the website time to time…

believe me this whole thing babaji, satsang, beas, raha soami is just a political agenda to make money and fool the innocent peoples…

here in this website I will also expose the Sindhis peoples….